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  "Crises of Conscience"

  by Olivia Wilde in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i just finished reading chapters 11-12 of raymond franz, crises of conscience & i must admit, i am pretty strong person, however the way ed dunlap & ray franz were treated left me crying, i had tears rolling done my eyes driving home from work on friday... & how ed was kicked out by wt, left me feel soo disgusted & outraged.... it was very obvious he needed to stay at bethel because of his age & medical conditions but i admired he didn't compromise his conscious, it's sickening to me how cold & callous these men can treat a christian after all his service.... & of course ray franz situation was no exception either, the witch hunt they did to get him out was, well, there's just isnt enough adjectives to describe their disgusting motives against him... he was 59 yrs old trying to make a honest living with his wife & for them to go after him was devious & demon like.... i'm soo grateful i came across this book & i wished i had much much sooner.... i know god will reward both ed dunlap & franz plus many many more who have been unjustly & unchristian like treated during that time & this time, sooo sickening.....i still feel very much upset & emotional over the whole thing .... i never met any of them & then yet i feel deep christian love for them......

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  Nathan Natas

  Was it because you had tears in your eyes that you got the title of the book wrong?
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  New here

  by MarkofCane in

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  2. experiences

  hello and thanks to everyone for participating on this forum it has really been of much value, for those of you that post here know that your words are not lost you never know who is reading your expressions, lives are being changed and nonsense challenged.

  i’m not much of a writer so excuse my untrained writing style and grammar but i want to share my story to help anyone who is visiting here to see that we are real people, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters who have come here for answers, there is no agenda, just searching for truth.

  i hope my story will help others as so many here have helped me..

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  Nathan Natas

  Witness 007 recalled, "I showed an Elder Russells pyramid chart in the original book....he turned pale white and looked like he was going to faint...very akward!"
  EX-CELLENT! You get BONUS POINTS for that!
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  Any former elders brains I could pick?

  by BarelyThere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i posted in another topic a few hours ago.

  it is my first time on here or any website like this, ever.

  i was dfed back in september for adultery.

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  Fisherman opined, "...the proper thing to do..."

  According to WHO, my friend?
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  Any former elders brains I could pick?

  by BarelyThere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i posted in another topic a few hours ago.

  it is my first time on here or any website like this, ever.

  i was dfed back in september for adultery.

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  Nathan Natas

  MrQuick, I salute you for your courage and wisdom.

  Best wishes to you!
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  New here

  by MarkofCane in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hello and thanks to everyone for participating on this forum it has really been of much value, for those of you that post here know that your words are not lost you never know who is reading your expressions, lives are being changed and nonsense challenged.

  i’m not much of a writer so excuse my untrained writing style and grammar but i want to share my story to help anyone who is visiting here to see that we are real people, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters who have come here for answers, there is no agenda, just searching for truth.

  i hope my story will help others as so many here have helped me..

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  Alive! asked, "Wouldn't that be consulting with demons, I asked as I read the accounts..."

  IF demons actually existed, then yes, it would be. But demons, like god, jesus, heaven and the soul are all products of chimpanzee imagination attempting to explain a universe he did not yet understand.

  It _IS_ crazy, but you are not.
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  looks like the org. stopped all the "leaks"

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  cedars site hasn't had anything new since september when the new mid week meeting was disclosed.

  wonder if the moles were caught.

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  Who cares what Cedars does? Not I, though if he was on fire, I would eagerly stomp out the flames.
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  New here

  by MarkofCane in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hello and thanks to everyone for participating on this forum it has really been of much value, for those of you that post here know that your words are not lost you never know who is reading your expressions, lives are being changed and nonsense challenged.

  i’m not much of a writer so excuse my untrained writing style and grammar but i want to share my story to help anyone who is visiting here to see that we are real people, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters who have come here for answers, there is no agenda, just searching for truth.

  i hope my story will help others as so many here have helped me..

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  MarkOfCane said, "...I’m not much of a writer so excuse my untrained writing style and grammar..."

  You are better than you think you are and show some real promise. Please continue writing and your skill will continue to improve.

  I would like to clarify a point Giordano made; the pyramid near the grave of C. T. Russell was NOT his idea, it was erected years after his death by his fanatical followers. It does provide an enduring link between Russell and his belief in Pyramidology, however.
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  Fisticuffs Erupts Between Mormons and JWs at Montreal Airport... WTF?

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  apologies if someone else has posted this before: .

  http://vaticanenquirer.com/canadas-mormons-and-jehovahs-witnesses-brawl-trying-to-get-to-refugees-first/.

  sorry, meant to say "fighting erupts" ... my bad.

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  I think it is TERRIBLE that people are refusing to believe this and saying that the source is a parody site!

  Why is everyone so harsh and judgemental? Why can't you let Room 215 believe his own truth?

  </SARCASM: OFF/>
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  Any William Miller Scholars out there?

  by neverendingjourney in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  for those who may not be aware, the 1914 date was arrived at by russell by using the same framework of the failed prophetic interpretations of the adventist preacher william miller.

  see this chart:.

  if you look at the top right of the chart, he uses the same 7-times reasoning to arrive at the 2,520 years (7 times=7 multiplied by 360-day years=2,520 years).

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  Nathan Natas

  Insanity is doing THE SAME THING and expecting DIFFERENT RESULTS.
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  Any former elders brains I could pick?

  by BarelyThere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i posted in another topic a few hours ago.

  it is my first time on here or any website like this, ever.

  i was dfed back in september for adultery.

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  Nathan Natas

  BarelyThere, you want to marry the guy that you were disfellowshipped for having sex with.

  Presumably you and this fellow are now living a "chaste" and "approved" life, which means no sex for either of you and no "mutual sensual gratification."

  Was he disfellowshipped for having sex with you, or for a different reason?

  What if the two of you went to the elders and said you want to marry and you need to know how to get this done.

  Scripturally they CANNOT forbid you to marry, but they can determine whether you are allowed to be married in the Kingdom Hall and they will determine how long you will have to wait for reinstatement.

  ...and your fiancee is OK with his plan to fade, right? RIGHT?

  If he's not, you'll be going from the frying pan into the fire.